Pearl Lam (林明珠): Hello, this is Pearl Lam Podcast. I’m now in Hong Kong and I’m so happy that I have a very dear friend, William Louey Lai Kuen, who is today coming here sitting with me and we are going to discuss and talk. William, can you give a brief about yourself?
William Louey Lai Kuen: OK, my family is the Kowloon Motor Bus family. My great grandfather started the company in 1921, so we’re 103 years old and it’s very rare to have a local company that lasts this long.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Absolutely. Especially in Hong Kong.
William Louey Lai Kuen: And I’m the 4th generation and I’m still active running the company.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): First thing, which I thought was really interesting, is recently I met someone, someone said to me, William, that he went to Oxford and you are the person who provided the scholarship. How come no one knew about all these things that you have been doing? So I really need you to tell. I mean, why? And why being so low profile?
William Louey Lai Kuen: I think it’s vulgar to talk about, you know, when you give. I think it’s you know, when you want to, when you give, when you do a, you know, like charity work. I was inspired by my grandmother because I only found out, you know, I knew only 10% of what she did when she was alive. I found out in the in her funeral. Everybody came up to thank me. What my grandmother did, she built this old people’s home. She built this school for the disabled children and all that. I only found out in her funeral.
William Louey Lai Kuen: In 1994, right? So I thought, oh, wow, you know, the way to do philanthropy is to not tell people. And that is the highest level because you’re not looking for recognition, you’re not looking for social climbing. You know, people do it for different reasons, right? And and I decided to follow her footstep, and I started.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): So tell, tell me about this, this scholarship thing which I was, I just realised how it started. First, what is the name of this scholarship?
William Louey Lai Kuen: I named it after my grandfather, William SD Louey.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Also William so.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Yeah, also William and I’m I’m LK, he’s SD and and I because I love my grandfather. I have wonderful memories of him. I was only three years old when he died. But for some strange reason, I remember these scenes of him playing swings with me in the garden and my grandmother was sitting opposite. No, not in this. I mean, it was in this garden actually. But now this house has been completely redeveloped.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): I know, I know, I remember.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Yeah, it was one house. You celebrated your 30th birthday here, remember? And anyway, so I thought it was a, a good thing not to tell people, you know, when you do something, you know, especially philanthropy. I, you know, I always gave people the impression that I’m the playful guy and I don’t mind that.
William Louey Lai Kuen: I ma frivolous I like to give people that I I don’t do nothing I’m I’m playful, I just enjoy my life and I don’t want people to know that I do anything serious so tell.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Me tell first. Tell us more about this. Yeah. This foundation or this scholarship that you have been going, when was it founded? OK. And what was the mission? Tell us more.
William Louey Lai Kuen:. OK OK. So obviously it was, you know, my grandmother used to take me to all these old people’s homes and to, you know, disabled children’s school and all that when I was little, as early as seven years old, The year I met you, the year I met you, OK. And I used to make sandwiches. I helped the servant in the kitchen to make hundreds of sandwiches and she used to make me do that. So I went with her and I think it started me off. I didn’t know it was charity at the time. I thought I was just helping her, you know, to make sandwiches because I was only 7 years old, right? So, but when I, when I, I think she implanted this idea of giving to me, it’s not just money, it’s how you make the sandwiches. It’s the time it takes, you know, you spend your time and your money, right? And and then I decided to, instead of helping thousands, tens of thousands of old people or disabled children. I’m not saying that they’re not important, but being an age, you know, you know me, I’m lazy and I and I just want to help a handful of bright people. And I thought, give them a hand, you know, just a handful. It’s easy for me to take care of and, and they and hopefully they would change the world. And after the first year, the first year had six scholars,.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): No. Explain to me about the scholars, how it started…
William Louey Lai Kuen: My grandmother gave me the inspiration, OK, And it started because one night I was listening to the radio and the radio was on with Marie. Marie was actually carrying Alistair at the time. And she was carrying Alistair. And I said to Maria, I said listen to this boy on the on the on the radio. He was the number one scholar in Hong Kong that was being interviewed and it was re aired at night. And I thought, wow, I’m so inspired by this young man. You know, I think we, you know, let’s let’s look at people around us like all my friends, you know, we’re all enjoying the crops from the previous generation. Nobody’s driven. Nobody is, you know, has the network, you know, or create. I could envision that none of us will have this amazing network that our parents had, right. And so I said, let’s let’s create some network ourselves by finding some really bright people to help. And it was just an idea. And, you know, I could fail in this like, you know, like they can, I can send them away and then they would, you know, like not communicate with me afterwards, you know, these scholars. But it just it became like they became like my family, which is, which is like I’m I, I didn’t think that far ahead. OK, OK, so so the idea was from that radio show.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Then and then and then thinking of Alistair, you know, when he grows up, you know, my, my, you know, my wife was pregnant. I was like, when Alistair grows up, none of us, none of our friends can, you know, can, can, can give Alistair the network because we’re all enjoying ourselves, you know, wake up at noon, we go to the yacht. We, we drink a bottle of Chateau Lafit, you know, you know, so I was thinking of Alistair’s network. And it was a selfish reason to, you know, to, I admit it was a selfish reason to, to, to start a scholarship like that. But then after the first year.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): No. First thing is, yeah. When you decided to start a scholarship, why did you focus in mainland China? Students from mainland China, other than other countries?
William Louey Lai Kuen: Good question. I, I belong to the YPO, Yeah, Young Presidents Organisation. I know, I know. And there I joined the YPO in 1990 and I met the only Chinese YPO at the time, the only guy from China, Richard Yan. Richard is very interesting. The Yan family, Yin, you know, Yan leader the series the Yan family is related to the Song sisters, right? And they are they, that family is the founder of Nankai University. So overnight in Shanghai, his father was riding a horse and he was arrested because he’s from the wealthy.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Right. OK, so the, the, the the revolutionaries came and arrested him and then they were put in gaol, the wreck guards. He was put in gaol overnight. And Richard didn’t start reading his first book until he was 14. He still ended up in Harvard and then he’s a fantastic now he lives in Taiwan. And when he set up all the, he actually found all the scholars for me because I told him about my idea and he was the one who found his, you know, two weeks after he left Hong Kong, he said, William, come to Beijing. I’ve found 200 scholars for you to interview.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Yeah, because he has the network from, from his, you know, his family. They were the founder of Nankai University, so he has the network with all the top schools in Beijing. And it’s easy to find scholars in Beijing because they have talent classes. These children are normally three to five years ahead of normal children. Wow. OK. So I decided to go and see for myself what these students are like. So obviously I would choose the one who can talk. Einstein would not be Einstein would not be my scholar, right? Because I need people who can talk, who has interpersonal skills, who can do things other than studying. They can have, you know, they can be good at sports. They can be adventurous. I was, but I was you. I was brought up in the UK.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): But it’s not really.
William Louey Lai Kuen: I don’t want to have an Einstein in my scholarship because, you know, I, I want people who have, who know how to do teamwork right, Because I don’t want, I don’t want just finding bright people. I want, you know, that’s why I have to interview every single one of them. One of my scholars arrived half an hour late. He was still accepted because he was so charming and he arrived half an hour. Can you imagine arrive half an hour late to, to an interview in Cambridge? So the professor said, well, you, you have to do this four questions out of seven in one hour, but you only have half an hour because you arrived late. He did all 7 and got them all right. And, and it’s actually because of this boy, Yan Qi, I can name him that Prince Charles had this at the time he was Prince Charles, he was the, the chairman of the Cambridge Overseas Trust. And because Yan Qi was so special in Cambridge, you know, he’s, he’s not just good at studying. He actually never studied, but he came top and everything. And, and he was riding his, he was having his roller blade going everywhere in Cambridge, right inside of the bicycle. And he was very special, very special child. And, and I received an invitation from Prince Charles. He wanted to meet me because of Yan Qi. Not only that he was a good student, but he was very likeable. He was, you know, he charmed all his professors and he’s now having a great life. So that’s that’s how it all started. It’s from my grandmother. And then, you know, also there are many factors like, you know, my father died young. Yes, I know. So not many people can start the scholarship as early as me because I inherited when I was young. I was 18 when he died. So a lot of my friends, including you, were surprised that I did not flaunt all the money and and turn into a scholarship instead.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Let me ask you first, why Oxford, then why Cambridge? Why not not differently were?
William Louey Lai Kuen: I was brought up in the UK, we went through the, you know, the public school system, you know, we went boarding school.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): But, but, but usually, you know, as a parent, yeah, I mean, especially today’s parents, a lot of them would have chosen American University over.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Not in our circle of friends.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): No, last night I just talked.
William Louey Lai Kuen: To I mean, there are two clans in Hong Kong, right?
William Louey Lai Kuen: Some go to America, some go to UK so and I was in the UK.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): So when you were in the UK, when you start to talk to them about scholarship, were the UK university very welcoming for your for your participants?
William Louey Lai Kuen: Not the first year, but not the first soon after.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): First year is which? How many students each?
William Louey Lai Kuen: Year. Well, let me tell you, I went through so many hurdles, OK, even in China, after I chose my scholars in China, how would I know that they would give them a passport to leave China? How would I know that the British Embassy would give them a visa?
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Absolutely.
William Louey Lai Kuen: To come to the UK, OK, so I have to go to Shanghai to convince the Education Department. The first sentence this guy said to me said he said you’re taking all my national treasures.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): But they will come back.
William Louey Lai Kuen: But I said to him, there are no treasure until they see the world. Yeah, OK. But whether they come back to China or not, it’s not my responsibility. It’s your responsibility to attract them back.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): And so how do you, did you persuade the university then for that scholarship?
William Louey Lai Kuen: No, don’t have to persuade because they were accepted by all the universities because they all got 5 As.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Yeah, but then you have to tell them that I’m providing the scholarship, blah, blah blah.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How? But but the English university, they never offered scholarships. They pay full foreigners fees. OK. And on top of that, they were doing, you know, they were doing Oxbridge levels right in boarding school already because they were only like 14 or 15 years old. They all graduated from Oxford and Cambridge at 19 with a master. So, so when they were, I mean, they they’re amazing. I mean they get great school reports, and they are in doing scholarship level S levels and and they are all predicted to get 5A’s.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): So when you decided that you’re going to do the scholarship, so you went to talk to Oxford and Cambridge and said, I’m going to say.
William Louey Lai Kuen: No, no, no, no, no. I didn’t talk to the universities at all. I actually became close to the universities because my students, my scholars, did so well and then they they wanted me to send more scholars.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): It’s the other way round.
William Louey Lai Kuen: It’s the other way round.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): And how many of them return back to? China or return to.
William Louey Lai Kuen: 70% are back in China, even the ones who are in the UK, in the US or in Japan.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Oh, Japan as well.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Japan as well.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): So how many scholars do you have?
William Louey Lai Kuen: Today, 60.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): 60 are you and so every year you do your anniversary.
William Louey Lai Kuen: No. Every year, starting in June, I would fly to Beijing. I would interview 50 of.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Them I’m talking about your old old students
William Louey Lai Kuen: Oh, the the, the the previous scholars. Yeah, I’m, I’m very close to the first five batches, of course, very close to them. I go, I went to their weddings when they have when they would introduce their boyfriends and girlfriends to me before their parents. I would. It was that close. They would seek my approval and ask for my advice and when they have children in Hong Kong, I would visit them at the hospital.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): So a lot of them actually returned?
William Louey Lai Kuen: 70%. It’s great for China, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I would, you know, I, I went to the the scholar that you met. So I went to his anniversary. Creative business, very good business minded people are all in his in that wedding.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): In his own bit.
William Louey Lai Kuen: And in the wedding anniversary.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): OK, so, so let’s let’s talk about your real job now, OK, I know that. I mean, I like the fact that because you’re inspired by your grandmother and you start to go out to help and help these students and these scholars now is returning. Is actually giving back to China, so then you know. You. Running being a director of the Kowloon Motor Bus. I mean William from I mean I could not see you connected to a motor bus company, but I remember you were telling me you were going to to England helping them to buy motor bus explain to.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Me, my grandfather started buying double decker buses from the UK in 1948 after the war. So he imported the first double decker bus from British Leyland. Do you remember British Leyland and then Dennis. And then now it’s evolved to red bus, you know Thomas Heatherwick, right? Yeah. And, and I buy from these two big companies in the, in the UK and, and, and again, you know, my network is all in the UK. That’s why my students went to the UK, right? So I used to go to the UK on business frequently and, and I was educated there. So it’s very, I mean it’s very easy for me to, to establish this UK network and, and from buying the buses. It’s that it’s not, that’s not my job, it’s the head of purchase purchasing, but my job is in the company now. It’s to create good morale among these 150,000 employees.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): I know because all the bus drivers love you.
William Louey Lai Kuen: You. Yeah. I don’t know why they love me, but basically I can make them laugh and then I can, you know, I don’t want to, you know, when I see them, I don’t make them feel that I’m high in a higher level. I rub shoulders with them and this month I’m so busy. I’m so glad that we found time on Sunday to talk to you. So we have 30 spring parties, lunch and dinner, 30 to entertain 15,000 people, right? All frontline people, actually. Again, it was my grandmother who taught me, always be nice to the frontline people because they’re the first people my customer meet, right? That’s why I want to help these scholars. I want to give a head start to people who needs it, right? And then they’re usually more hungry.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Of course, because they have to prove themselves. Yeah, so and so are you using the same attitude when you are dealing with your company drivers?
William Louey Lai Kuen: With my company drivers.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): I and the conductor.
William Louey Lai Kuen: And all that I run many clubs. The purpose is to have happy employees, right? So I have dragon boats. We’re very famous can be dragon, Dragon boats club. We have run Marathon, we have chess, we have singing, we have badminton, you know, like many, many recreational clubs and we have like 6000 members and, and, and, and through these clubs I go, you know, to do price giving. And when they they they compete with HSBC with Cathay Pacific and when they come top in Hong Kong, they get a Gold Cup. I would go and present them with a, with a cup right And, and, and by joining them at these clubs, I can listen to how happy they are, how not happy they are and then I can.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): How frustrated.
William Louey Lai Kuen: How frustrated they are and how do you and I can improve the system. So that’s how I, that’s why I, you know, I enjoy doing what I do is, you know, really on a daily basis I meet my frontline people.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): But William, you are such a creative person. You know, you do all my photograph is done by William, right? So you’re, you’re such a creative person. You, you know, you, you literally can, can paint, can do anything. But you chose this very corporate job.
William Louey Lai Kuen: No, this corporate job, you have to be very creative. You know, when you talk to them, how do you entertain them? That is also creativity. How do you gel these people? How do you make them? How do you give, give them feel proud of the company? You have to create things that you have to be creative. If you’re boring, you know.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Let me ask, any of your scholars are creative?
William Louey Lai Kuen: They are not creative in the sense of drawing and painting and making sculptures. Yes, exactly. While talking to you, I’m being creative. I’m trying to make your programme interesting, right? This is this is being creative as well.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Are you making my programme interesting? But but, but so you bring in all your because you have a personality which which I think is very easily accessible by your and by your staff. So do they listen to you? Yeah.
William Louey Lai Kuen: I noticed that, you know, we have 30, right? I’ve gone through 12 now. There’s still half to go. OK, 12, so 12 parties.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Twelve parties.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Twelve parties, OK, last Friday and my colleague told me, William, have you noticed when we speak, they are talking to themselves very loud? They not, they don’t listen. As soon as you go on stage, they keep quiet. That’s how I know that I’m doing something right. Wow.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): That’s that is amazing. That is so when you I mean, let’s talk about your bus, OK, your motor bus industry, I mean are you thinking to have a driverless motor bus eventually and how are you going to?
William Louey Lai Kuen: This is the trend, right?
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Yeah, how are you going to deal with your driver as?
William Louey Lai Kuen: Well, definitely not. You know, we’ll definitely look into and start autonomous, but but of course we have to not lay off anybody because people.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): No, because.
William Louey Lai Kuen: When they retire.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Because your company, especially it develop a very long term employment and you look after your and your employment.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Every year we have a annual dinner, not these thirty parties I’m talking about. We have a proper annual dinner and that every every year we give long service awards. We have 50 years, 30 years, 25 years, 10 years, you know, like few 100 people receive these awards. So they stay on. And you know, and I think you know, when you look at bus drivers, we don’t call, we don’t call them bus drivers. We call them bus captains. They treat themselves like an aeroplane pilot. It’s a very honourable job. That’s why they stay, because they know that they are contributing to the Hong Kong society and so I’m so proud, I’m very proud.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Because you’re looking after the people and giving the jobs and the contribution.
William Louey Lai Kuen: To to.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Society to the society. OK, talk to me about these. Driverless or autonomous?
William Louey Lai Kuen: So we’re not going to 100% sure, we’re not going to lay off anyone for that at the moment. That is still a very, it’s, it’s not very mature. You know, this time it’s very early. We’re definitely starting, you know, you know, when the road, where the road is straight and there are less, you know, like unexpected events that can, you know, some dogs or some people can run out of the street, you know, that kind of unexpected. But with 6G, with China shooting up more satellites, when 6G is mature, the buses will be very intelligent and that that only at that time we will start thinking of having full autonomous.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): But you are planning.
William Louey Lai Kuen: So it’s in our head and the first planning is to have electric first. So we’re 4500 buses and to turn them all into electric. We were actually announced to to do it by 2040, but you know, because of COVID and and you know.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): 2040.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Yeah, we were going to replace Yeah, all No, because 15 years, each bus lasts for 18 years.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): OK.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Right. They have the 15 years depreciation and then you know, we have three more years. So these buses are very well made. They’re all made in the UK and, and you know, and every night they’re maintained.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Yeah, of.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Course so, so we don’t want to scrap a new bus. You have to wait for 18 years for the new bus. So gradually, gradually you will replace.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): 1 by 1.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Electric. OK, God knows. I mean, there might be something more advanced than electric.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Absolutely.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Right. So we’re doing it slowly and and we’re not going to lay off any bus captains because first of all, autonomous is very mature at the moment. And also, you know, when they retire, then we can have an autonomous.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Of course, of course.
William Louey Lai Kuen: So when they retire, only when they retire that we will replace them with autonomous. If autonomous is possible by then. You also have like they’re talking about drones, right? Right. So yeah, the Hong Kong government is very pro technology, but at the same time we have to balance. We cannot get rid of real people for machines, of course we have to take care of them.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Of course. So let’s talk about your other side, your frivolous side.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Yeah, yeah.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Your frivolous side yeah you love love I mean sometimes I really don’t understand is you know when people look at you William, they only see your creativity is they see you you know you’re always a positive energy coming to A to a party, but they never. Really, really touch. What you are actually doing for?
William Louey Lai Kuen: Some reason I don’t. I always like people to think that I don’t know what you know. You, you actually, you actually you are the one who told me that. Because I have so much self-confidence, I don’t really need people to think.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): That you’re serious?
William Louey Lai Kuen: I’m serious.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Yeah, but even, but even when we talk about how creative you are, you are really serious in and in creativity. Yeah, yeah. I mean, whether you’re doing your photograph, your video, it’s. You know, I mean, you are, you’ve just done another house, right? Yeah, Yeah. And all these things give you that. Is it that enjoyment, that fulfilment? Yeah. Why do you do?
William Louey Lai Kuen: That I do that for myself and I don’t have to do it like as a profession because I, you know, I, I have to run a big company. I really don’t have time to be a full time artist or, you know, even my son, right? He, I won’t force him to go into KMB. He’s in biotech. We don’t need rocket scientists to run the company. And you know, and you know, I have the duty to take care of the family business and to look after our family shareholdings and, and the creative side I can get fulfilled by talking to having friends like you. You know, I go to your galleries and I get to meet your artists and I go to Kevin’s, Kevin’s ballet performances and I can talk to the dancers. I get my, you know, my and my fulfilledness out of fulfilment. Fulfilment out of meeting, having good friends like you and.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): So do you? Do you want to develop your creativity into a business?
William Louey Lai Kuen: I never thought of that.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): So, so anybody can come and go, William, this is a house I want you to do to decorate my house.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Nobody, only you will ask me to do that because we’re, we’re, we’re, we’re so crazy that we will design something that is totally, I always want something that nobody has, same as you, right? But most people can’t. And that’s why I don’t want to become an interior designer because I don’t want to be, you know, I don’t want to listen to my client. I want to design something that I like for myself. I don’t want to do something that people like. I want to do something that I like and I can control it, you know, by doing my own project.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): There are people who doesn’t know what they want, yeah.
William Louey Lai Kuen: So you’re perfect for that, right?
Pearl Lam (林明珠): I know many people doesn’t who don’t know what they want.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Well, first of all, I don’t have the time.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Of course you don’t have the time and.
William Louey Lai Kuen: I’m, I’m perfectly happy. Like, you know, I, I perform with the, you know, from support my friends charity, you know, by performing with the Hong Kong Philharmonic and Chinese Orchestra. You know, I even did a, a chipping downs, you know, for, for the Breast Cancer Foundation. Nobody knew I was going to strip that night, right? But I, I took the whole year working out, you know, so I make sure I look fantastic, right? And.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): And and how much did you raise?
William Louey Lai Kuen: I raised 6,000,000.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Oh wow!
William Louey Lai Kuen: In 15 minutes.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Oh how not bad. 15 minutes, OK.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Yeah, and and you know, all the ladies, you know, supportive of course, they give me cheques, you know, and put in my put in my Dolce Gabbana diamond studded g-string.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Last week you did a performance with the Philharmonic. I mean, tell us more about it. I I.
William Louey Lai Kuen: Support like anything creative like, you know, Philharmonic so they invite people… You know, my y daughter is a a classically trained musician.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): I know, I know, I know.
William Louey Lai Kuen: So I’m very lucky. I have two kids, one is a scientist, one is one is an artist. So it’s very nice, OK, very bad. And my daughter’s after, you know, she took after my talent and Alistair took after Marie’s talent. Like, he’s good at sport, he’s good at studying. My daughter and I are good at being creative. OK, so we got invited to perform with the Philharmonic and and well, as usual, I was wearing my latex tails and nobody wears latex to perform with the film Philharmonic. I was wearing white, just just the trousers and and it was kind of like, you know, when you don’t have the technique, you always try and distract, OK.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): So you don’t have the techniques, and you try to distract. All right.
William Louey Lai Kuen: My daughter has the technique. I don’t have the technique. I just, you know, I, I did practise three times with Philharmonic. I wasn’t that shameful, but I wasn’t, I mean, I’m not, I’m not a musician. I mean, I’m not a performer, but I’m just an entertainer. I just go on stage and I make people laugh and I’m, I sing reasonably well, you know. And then I also, you know, I think the costume is very important, you know, when you walk out on stage. And then I, I stand out.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): As long as you’re not Liberace.
William Louey Lai Kuen: I’m worse than, I’m better than Liberace. I’m more exaggerated than than Liberace. And that and and and and you raise funds, you know, I, I the last time.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Did you sing?
William Louey Lai Kuen: Did you sing? I sang, yeah. Yeah, I was telling you I was. I sang. I I can sing. I can play piano and you know, my daughter is the pianist.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): Yeah, I know, I know, I know.
William Louey Lai Kuen: I’ve I also told you that, you know, the pinball asked me to perform for 15 minutes. The only thing I can think of without practising is stripping.
Pearl Lam (林明珠): At this point, thank you, William. We have a great a great, a great programme today. Unfortunately, we couldn’t see you stripping.
